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Is there any way to detect bleed in a Route node?

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I know you can detect bleed in Preflight node, but that either pauses the job, or just passes it along. Instead I need to route files without bleed into a separate branch, to add bleed to them, within the same workflow. Any way to do this? Detecting bleed would in most cases involve comparing trim box to crop/media boxes, but neither of these checks exist in the Route node. Only comparisons to fixed sizes.
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SPXARG01-DMO
Technical Escalation User
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Re: Is there any way to detect bleed in a Route node?

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You can detect the bleed on a preflight node (uncheck the pause boxes). Then you can route the files using the preflight result.

I hope this help you

Santiago

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PerF-Xerox
Xerox Analyst
Xerox Analyst

Re: Is there any way to detect bleed in a Route node?

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Yes, you have it in the Route component. You will find it under Job Property/Job File/Minimum Bleed Distance. If you set this to look for a bleed distance more than 0 mm it will send all files that have a Bleed box that is larger than the Trim Box, to this branch.

This will save you one component in the workflow and you do not have to define a Preflight component.Screenshot 2020-11-30 at 23.24.29.png

 

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Re: Is there any way to detect bleed in a Route node?

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I have a question about the profile you linked - which checks were used? I've had several cases where it passes the check on files with no bleed.
Like I created a new PDF file, set trim box exactly the same as crop box, no bleed box, and it passed the check.
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Re: Is there any way to detect bleed in a Route node?

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About the "Job Property/Job File/Minimum Bleed Distance"

While true, its not really good enough.
There are files with bleed but without bleed box, so if there is only one check and it looks for the bleed box, that will generate too many false results.

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SPXARG01-DMO
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Re: Is there any way to detect bleed in a Route node?

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It compares trim and bleed boxes. I assumed that the bleed box must be defined with correct value. you can modify the script to compare between any others boxes. But I can not understand why the bleed box is not set with the same size than crop box in the pdf file you mentioned without bleed box defined with a valid value. Can you share and example?

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Re: Is there any way to detect bleed in a Route node?

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Yeah I used the same check too now, but also added some other ones, like a minimum distance between trim and media boxes.

We get lots of files with no defined bleed box. Why? I have no idea.   
Pretty sure Illustrator for example should set it by default.

> Typical example

 

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SPXARG01-DMO
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Re: Is there any way to detect bleed in a Route node?

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The postcard you attached has the correct bleed box. So it will be routed to the branch with bleed defined. Remember you can set the preflight as "is true" or "is not true". 

I tested the postcard in my workflow and it works properly detecting the bleed.

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Re: Is there any way to detect bleed in a Route node?

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Interesting, indeed this file does show bleed box in Crop Pages dialogue.

I pretty much never use it, instead using the PitStop plugin for Acrobat, and that for some reason shows that there is no bleed box, in the same file.

Anyway, the problem of detecting bleed is solved for the most part.

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