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Can I print on unprinted gloss white froma commercial digital printer

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Product Name: ColorQube 8570
Operating System: Windows 10 x64

Hi,

If I get 10,000 Gloss DLs printed by a commercial printer can I then use the 8570 to print on the white other side?

I need different messages at different times on the secong side.

If not, is it because of the 'hard' toner or is the paper unprintable by consumer printers?

Thanks

David

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Technical Escalation User DavidX28897-xrx
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Re: Can I print on unprinted gloss white froma commercial digital printer

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Going that way shouldn't be a problem. Except for the gloss stock, which the printer doesn't support. You can try programming as cardstock, but it will likley jam. 

https://www.xerox.com/downloads/usa/en/supplies/rml/supplies_rml_CQ8570_CQ8870.pdf

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Re: Can I print on unprinted gloss white froma commercial digital printer

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Many thanks for the reply..

I do already print on glossy stock and it is listed in the types pf paper within the printer admin.

I just wasn't sure if the paper commercial printers use is the same as the gloss that we buy from Xerox or whomever.

The xerox gloss I use is Colotech + Gloss coated 120gm 2 sides. and another is Mondi Color Coated Glossy for Laser135 gm.

Maybe I should go and get a sample from a print company.

oz

 

 

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Analyst Nation Moderator Joe053204-hcl
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Re: Can I print on unprinted gloss white froma commercial digital printer

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If it is a stock you print on and all is well, it still will be, the fact it has been printed on doesn't at all matter in your case.

The issue  is different the other way though.

If you do a print with solid ink onto a page, you cannot run that page through a lazer printer, because they use heat to fuse toner to paper, if it has solid ink print on it, it will immediately boil the solid ink off the page, and it will get on the fuser and everything after it, it is not a mess you want to contend with, and can be time consuming and expensive.

Solid ink printers heat the ink then put it on the page, since the paper is never heated, there is no issue.

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Re: Can I print on unprinted gloss white froma commercial digital printer

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Thank you for your in depth answer. Yes it was the first part that I was inquiring on.. printing on non printed commercial glossy paper by the 8570.
Although I see it has its positives, I am sorry I bought the solid ink printer because there are more negatives for me than positives.
One of them is that it places a layer on the paper so one cannot write on it. It peels off as it is written on. Just yesterday I was asked o write on a CD insert we printed and unless the pen was a felt tipped one, it just ground into the ink. Also we cannot use our laminater with it. I am thinking of selling it and buying a regular toner laser that will do glossy. Any recommendations for a that. On the cheaper end of the scale though.
I have a couple of Phaser 6250 that were wonderful. I may try and see if I can get them up again.

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Analyst Nation Moderator Joe053204-hcl
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Re: Can I print on unprinted gloss white froma commercial digital printer

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Solid Ink printers are very good, but in a very focused way, they are not for the typical user, and sadly, were not sold as such. They were sold as better, and in general, they weren't/aren't. They have their place for sure, but their place isn't in an office that does spreadsheets.

They were designed to be green, considerably less waste was the goal, and they do so, the toxicity is vastly lower, the waste that comes out is essentially solid plastic/wax, and it is sold in solid chunks, there is no container of plastic and electronics to be disposed of. they don't use solvents so they are in general theory healthier for the environment. They were never meant to be considered cheaper to operate, but some people did say that, because you are not paying for the added ink packaging, and didn't have to pay disposal fees. But they were/are not cheaper than toner based devices really, just ink based, which they never competed against.

Primarily they should be used for graphics and photos, preferably ones that won't be handled, because as you mentioned, they can be scratched relatively easy (The first generation inks scratched when you slid 2 pieces of paper together.

But the primary disadvantage is the low melt point, they become liquid at a low temp to make it cheaper and use less energy, but that means they can't be run through a laser printer without melting the ink on the page

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Technical Escalation User DavidX28897-xrx
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The 6280 was the best A4 color printer I've ever worked on. It would do long runs between service calls. I've worked on over 100 differnt models released over the past 15ish years as my comparison. By all means, if you can find one, it is worth it. 

For BW printer Phaser 3610. Small, compact, and the front desk at the resorts would pump 30k pages per month over month without issues. For both printers, everything that fails is a consumable.